"One of things that has happened in America is that because the white American majority is so racist, they didn't understand that the consequences of their racism was going to be their own impoverishment a few decades later."
The Reaganite "counter-revolution" of the 1980s was underpinned by racism, he says.
"It said we don't have to build any public goods - healthcare, retirement education - all of these things.
"And a lot of that was driven by white people thinking I won't invest in them, I'm not going to pay for those kids' schools, those peoples' retirement.
"Those 'people' of course being black, brown, Asian, Mexican whatever - other people.
"As a result of that kind of thinking, a few decades from then, they themselves wouldn't have things like public healthcare, education, retirement, public transport because those things, either all the society has them, or nobody does."
This has left Americans paying "insane, extortionate rates for basic things."